Religion and Gay Marriage



Good morning, Hank, it's Tuesday. I really liked your video about marriage equality on Friday, but today I wanted to approach the question of gay marriage from a specifically religious perspective. But to do that we have to first figure out what exactly marriage is, which turns out to be incredibly complicated. All right, so to illustrate this, I'm gonna make yellow thingamajigs men and blue whozeewhats women. Let's begin with the idea that so-called "traditional marriage" is a union between one man and one woman. Well that's simply not accurate: There are some very traditional marriages that did not feature just one man and one woman. For instance, in the Bible, King David was married to… 18 women, and Solomon, who was known for his good judgement, was married to seven hundred! Which is not even to mention his three hundred concubines. Frankly, it just seems greedy. In fact I think almost everything we associate with traditional marriages — from white dresses, to monogamy, to scripture readings, to saying "I do" — is not very traditional. For the vast majority of Christian history until the 16th century, it was uncommon for Christian marriages to happen in churches, or to be overseen by clergy, or even to feature witnesses! People became married by agreeing to be married and then honoring that commitment. It was just, "I marry you," "I marry you," "Mmmmmmarried!" And then often, but not always, they let the church know that they got married, because the church kept the records. Furthermore the idea that marriages always occur between one man and one woman imply that everyone is either a man or a woman, which is simply not the case it and it never has been! A significant portion of the human population — somewhere around 0.5% — has always been intersex. Intersex people might be chromosomally XXY, or XYY, or have androgen insensitivity syndrome, or a bunch of other conditions that make them neither unambiguously male nor unambiguously female. Historically, many of these people have gotten married without the social order falling apart and many of them still get married today, but laws like the one just voted on in North Carolina make it unclear whether intersex people are allowed to marry anyone. Right, so marriage and sex turn out to be very complicated. Well I'm about to make it more complicated. So for many religious people, including lots of Christians, Jews, and Muslims, marriage is not just a legal agreement, but a covenant. You're making a promise to God that you will stick together for life. And for many religious people, marriage is only really marriage if that covenant is involved. And that means that for lots of those people, gay marriage is impossible, because "homosexual relationships are inherently sinful" which means that God cannot be present in and bless that union. Now Hank, I should add that lots of religious people and institutions don't believe that, but some do, and I'm not going to try to convince those people or those institutions that they are wrong, because 1) it won't work, and
2) I read the comments from your last video. It was a little discouraging. But Hank, if we're gonna say that the legal benefits of marriage should only be extended to people who have made this covenant with God, then we get ourselves into a HUGE problem! Like you and The Katherine got married in a field – does that mean you're not really married? Like should you be allowed to visit The Katherine in the hospital, or share custody of kids you adopt, or file taxes together? Or should those privileges only extend to people who got married in a church, like me? And do all church weddings count, or only people who get married in certain kinds of churches? Because then I might be in trouble. Hank, that line of thinking does not lead to a good legal definition of marriage. The truth is, marriages are intensely personal, and they are defined not by courts or by voters, but by the people who live inside of them. That's traditional marriage! People making a private, daily, life-long commitment. We can't make gay marriage illegal because gay marriage is already happening. It has been happening, in fact, for as long as human beings have been pledging themselves to each other. But tragically, in most of the world, we deny gay people the rights and obligations that are associated with their marriages. And that is just discrimination. There are going to be marriages you don't like and married people who do things that you don't think married people should do. But whether they're getting married, or they're getting married, or they're getting married, those marriages won't affect yours. Hank, I'll see you on Friday.

Michael Martin

41 Responses

  1. Fr though. All of that Old Testament stuff wouldn’t be good source. Cause think about it realistically, you eating pig/shrimp? Go to hell. You divorce your wife? Go to hell. God says you have to love or you are not god, yet it’s unfair for someone to pick who I’m going to love. What if I don’t like them? I feel bad for everyone who gets into arranged marriages.
    I love god and everyone, no matter how many times I say “I hat you.” I don’t mean it literally. Everybody have a fantastic day, ❤️.

  2. Woah I was really expecting John to bash religion here… 🤭 I don’t think anyone can get offended though. Good job John 👍

  3. If being gay is a sin and u go to hell for it.
    And god made all humans.
    Why did god make millions of humans gay?
    Just asking.

  4. Dumbest thing I’ve seen. There are two genders, just because each person isn’t exactly the same doesn’t take away the fact of there just being two genders. Since the beginning there have been just two genders and most agreed until the dark ages, aka the 2000’s. This is disappointing to see humanity plummet this deep into sin. I can’t even say much more since no one will agree with anything I’d say even with no reason. All I will say is when judgement day comes, don’t be pleading to god/Jesus because you had your chance

  5. As an ex bi person I think that it is wrong. If it wasn't I wouldn't have changed. It still you love tho cause I passed my history exam because of your vidoes.

  6. Homosexuals do not inherit the kingdom of God they burn in torture in hell for eternity repent from your lust and moral filth

  7. I could care less about gays and I don't even give a crap because it's against my religion so I'mma keep thinking that because it's my life and my mind

  8. If only it were that simple. Marriage becomes a government concern when children are involved. Then it becomes a socialization issue. You did not deal with the real deal at all. Most people have no issue with people making private decisions based on their own beliefs. It's when you are making these decisions for children, adoption, etc. that it is a thornier topic. It's the same with abortion. It deals with making lasting decisions that impact another life/lives. As for the Biblical examples you mentioned, God never condoned the "many wives". And the new testament clarifies this. Biblical stories, history, is full of flawed human beings being saved by Grace. No one lives up to God's design for our flourishing.

  9. Ignorance can be overcome with an open mind, heart and sound education, faith, works, and accurate knowledge.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd17iHqhPUs

  10. See. one of my older cousins were Christian. He's a drag queen know and no offense but I think being gay is full of bullcrap bc i think they do it for the attention bc how many people you see gay without acting different. I seen them either drag queens or some goth emos.

  11. WTF I WATCH THIS GUY'S VIDEO ON THE BUBONIC PLAGUE IN ASIA THIS IS SO DIFFRENT

  12. I'm a conservative bisexual. I believe in gay marriage, creationism, and intelligent design. I attend the Presbyterian Church in America at least twelve times a year.

  13. I agree with this- to love somebody doesn't necessarily mean the desire to make love with them. Rather; I believe that it means the view that these people belong together.

  14. The green brothers are like my heroes for life. Cant believe they supported lgbtq rights waaaayyy b4 america caught on!

  15. Jesus is the truth he is the only way to escape damnation. Its written man shall not lay with another man as one does with a woman. Anything involving sex outside marraige between man and woman is sin

  16. All gay people will burn in hell. God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve . If God wanted a man to be with a man then he would never have created Eve

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