Face to Face with NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh


MY NAME IS DEENA BARAKAT. SUNNY RAJWAN. LAUREN TINTODI. FARHEEN LAKHANI. DAVID ASPINALL. I AM UNDECIDED.>>I DON’T KNOW WHO TO VOTE FOR.>>WHAT DO I CARE ABOUT? COST OF LIVING.>>THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE IS OUR PLACE ON THE GLOBAL STAGE. I’M UPSET WITH THE WAY THAT DIGITAL COMPANIES OPERATE AND BEHAVE IN THIS COUNTRY.>>I HAVE QUESTIONS.>>I NEED ANSWERS. I VOTE BECAUSE THAT’S MY RIGHT AND RESPONSIBILITY AS A CANADIAN.>>THIS IS MY TIME.>>IT’S MY TURN. [ ♪♪♪ ]>>Rosemary: HERE WE ARE AGAIN IN “THE NATIONAL” STUDIO IN TORONTO. ALL WEEK WE’VE BEEN DOING THIS NEW DIFFERENT THING. WE’VE PROMISED THE ELECTION WOULD BE ABOUT YOU, THE VOTERS, THE QUESTIONS, CONCERNS. SO WE ARE GIVING OVER AS MUCH AS OUR INTERVIEW TIME TO THE FEDERAL LEADERS TO YOU, THE VOTERS. WELCOME TO OUR FINAL NIGHT OF FACE-TO-FACE WITH THE FEDERAL LEADERS. ONCE AGAIN, UNDECIDED VOTERS LOOKING FOR ANSWERS AHEAD OF THE UPCOMING ELECTION. WE’VE INVITED FIVE OF THOSE VOTERS TO SPEAK ONE ON ONE WITH THE LEADERS. BY NOW YOU MIGHT UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT. THEY GET FIVE MINUTES. I DON’T INTERRUPT UNTIL THE FIVE MINUTES IS OVER. THEN I CAN JUMP IN AND MAYBE HELP GET OTHER ANSWERS OR FACT-CHECK SOME STUFF OR WHATEVER WE THINK WE NEED. JOINING US FOR THE FINAL DAY HERE, JAGMEET SINGH. LEADER OF THE N.D.P. GOOD TO SEE YOU.>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): GOOD TO SEE YOU, TOO.>>Rosemary: WE’VE SEEN JUSTIN TRUDEAU, ELIZABETH MAY, ANDREW SCHEER, YOUR THE LAST GUEST. WE GAVE YOU THE FIRST NAME OF THE LOVELY QUESTIONERS, GENERAL TOPIC, BUT OTHERWISE, YOU’RE ON YOUR OWN. ALL RIGHT. THOSE ARE THE TERMS. EACH GAVE US A QUICK VIDEO THEY SHOT TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES TO YOU. LET’S START THE CLOCK. HERE WE GO.>>HI. MAY NAME IS LAUREN TINTONI. I’M MARRIED TO AN ITALIAN IMMIGRANT AND WE HAVE A 3 AND A HALF-YEAR-OLD SON. MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS CHILD CARE. AS A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER I WAS NEVER GIVEN A PENNY FOR LEAVE AND I HAD TO BRING MY BABY TO WORK WITH ME. I WOULD LOVE TO GIVE MY SON A SIBLING, BUT WE HAVEN’T BEEN ABLE TO BECAUSE WE CAN’T AFFORD THE HIGH COST OF CHILD CARE. I DON’T KNOW WHO I’M GOING TO VOTE FOR, BECAUSE POLITICIANS MAKE SO MANY EMPTY PROMISES. I’M WONDERING WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING TO COME FROM TO FIX THIS CHILD CARE PROBLEM?>>Rosemary: LAUREN, OVER TO YOU.>>SO BASICALLY, THAT’S MY BIGGEST QUESTION, WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING TO COME FROM?>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): IT’S A BIG CONCERN FOR YOU AND SO MANY PEOPLE I MEET. THIS IS SOMETHING, IF YOU THIS I IT’S WORTH DOING I WANT TO DO IT. TELL ME HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO YOU.>>I’M A MOM AND I’D LOVE TO HAVE A SECOND CHILD AND I CAN’T AFFORD IT. SO THIS IS A HUGE CRISIS THAT IS PLAGUING MOMS ALL OVER CANADA. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO FIX IT? WHERE IS THE MONEY COMING FROM?>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): IF SOMETHING IS A PRIORITY, WE SEE GOVERNMENTS GET IT DONE.>>WHERE IS THE MONEY COMING FROM? SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF.>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): NO, NO, LAST YEAR THEY GAVE $14 BILLION AWAY TO THE WEALTHIEST TO BUY LIMOS.>>THAT’S NOT RELEVANT TO MY QUESTION. SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF AGAIN, WHERE IS THE MONEY COMING FROM, THE $10 BILLION?>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): MINE IS COMING FROM DIFFERENT CHOICES. WE WOULDN’T GIVE IT TO BILLIONAIRES, WE’D INVEST IN CHILD CARE. THE SECOND THING, WE HAVE LIMITED RESOURCES. WE TAKE IT SERIOUSLY, WE MAKE BETTER DECISIONS. THE SECOND THING, WE ASK FOR MORE REVENUE. THE REVENUE THAT WE’RE GOING TO LOOK AT IS THE WEALTHIEST IN THE COUNTRY DON’T PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE. THERE IS OFFSHORE TAX HAVENS THAT ARE –>>I’M GOING TO HAVE CUT YOU OFF AGAIN, I’M SORRY. I’M WONDERING WHERE SPECIFICALLY YOU’RE GOING TO FIND THE MONEY AND WHERE YOU’RE GOING TO PUT IT.>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): I’M TELLING YOU THAT I THINK. THERE IS $23 BILLION OF OFFSHORE TAX HAVENS WE’RE GOING TO CLAMP DOWN ON AND USE THEM FOR CHILD CARE. THOSE ARE WEALTH OVER $20 MILLION, WE’RE GOING TO ASK THEM TO PAY 1%. THE PUB SAID THAT WOULD BE A $70 BILLION INVESTMENT IN NEW REVENUE. WE’RE GOING TO ASK THE WEALTHIEST TO INVEST IN THE PROGRAMMES.>>OKAY — [APPLAUSE]>>OKAY. SO THAT MEANS THAT THE COST OF LIVING FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS, IT’S NOT GOING TO INCREASE.>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): NOT AT ALL. WE LOOK AT WHO YOU PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE. THEY DON’T HAVE ACCESS TO OFFSHORE TAX HAVENS, LOOPHOLES. THOSE LOOPHOLES THAT EXIST HAVE TO BE CLAMPED DOWN ON. THE C.E.O. STOCK OPTION LOOPHOLE COULD RAISE A BILLION DOLLARS OF NEW REVENUE. MR. TRUDEAU PROMISED TO DO IT IN 2015, FOUR YEARS LATER, HE HASN’T DONE IT. THE GOVERNMENTS WORK FOR THE RICHEST. THEY DON’T WORK FOR FAMILIES LIKE YOU. I’M IN IT FOR YOU. I WANT TO FIGHT FOR YOU.>>ANOTHER QUESTION, I’M CURIOUS BECAUSE THE COST OF LIVING IS GOING UP AND UP. IS THERE A WAY TO REDUCE IT, REVERSE IT? IT WENT GROCERY SHOPPING THE OTHER DAY AND A STICK OF BUTTER IS $7. HOW ARE WE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD BY REDUCING PRICES?>>I HEAR YOU. LIFE IS GETTING SUPER EXPENSIVE. PEOPLE SAY HOW TOUGH IT IS BECAUSE THE SALARIES AREN’T GOING UP, BUT COSTS ARE. I LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN DO AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL. WE KNOW THAT THE COST OF HEALTH CARE IS GOING UP, MEDICATIONS COST MORE AND MORE. WE WANT TO PUT IN PLACE A UNIVERSAL MEDICAL CARE PROGRAMME, A PHARMACARE PROGRAMME FOR ALL. THAT WOULD SAVE FAMILIES $600 AT A MINIMUM PER YEAR. WE WANT TO PUT IN PLACE A DENTAL CARE PROGRAMME. THAT IS A PROGRAMME WE CAN PUT IN RIGHT WAY IN ONE YEAR.>>YOU THINK YOU’RE GOING TO BE ABLE IT, THOUGH, ADJUST OUR EVERYDAY LIVES, THE COST OF LIVING IN EVERYDAY LIVES. EVERYTHING IS SO EXPENSIVE.>>YOU FEEL LIKE IT’S RIGGED?>>IT DOES. THE MINIMUM WAGE WENT UP, BUT ALL THE PRICES SKYROCKETED. SO PEOPLE STARTED EARNING MORE, SPENDING MORE.>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): I THINK THAT THE ECONOMY IS RIGGED. HEARING THAT FROM PEOPLE, WHERE IT’S RIGGED THAT PEOPLE AT THE VERY TOP, THEY’RE DOING GREAT. THE BILLIONAIRES ARE ENJOYING LIFE. BUT EVERYONE ELSE, IT’S GETTING HARDER. I WANT TO MAKE THE ECONOMY WORK BETTER FOR PEOPLE. THAT MEANS PUT IN PLACES SERVICES. OUR PLAN IS A CHILD CARE THAT WILL SAVE THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FOR FAMILIES. MONEY THAT COULD BE USED FOR GROCERIES, TO PAY THE BILLS. SO FOR US, IT’S A COMMITMENT. WE’RE NOT GOING TO BACK DOWN. MR. TRUDEAU GAVE UP. I’M NOT GIVING UP ON IT. I BELIEVE IN IT. I BELIEVE IN NATIONAL, UNIVERSAL, AFFORDABLE CHILD CARE FOR EVERYONE. I’M GOING TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.>>OKAY.>>Rosemary: THAT’S IT. GOOD JOB. LAUREN, THIS IS EXPENSIVE BUTTER, THOUGH, I’VE NEVER SEEN $7 BUTTER. YOU WANT TO CREATE A UNIVERSAL CHILD CARE PLAN BY 2030. YOU SAY WITHIN THE FIRST FOUR YEARS YOU CAN CREATE HALF A MILLION SPACES THAT WILL COST $10 BILLION. HOWEVER, IN THE PLAN YOU ALSO SAY, THAT YOU’RE GOING TO DO THIS WITH THE PROVINCES. ARE THE PROVINCES GOING TO HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE?>>WHAT WE’RE PROPOSING, WE PUT UP THE $10 BILLION AND WE WORK WITH PROVINCES. WE HAVE TO WORK WITH THEM TO DELIVER THE PROGRAMMES. WHAT WE’RE SAYING, WE’RE COMMITTED TO IT.>>Rosemary: BUT DOES WORK WITH MEAN THEY HAVE TO PONY UP MONEY.>>THEY HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE AS WELL.>>Rosemary: DO YOU HAVE NUMBER FOR THAT?>>WE’RE PREPARED TO PUT IN $10 BILLION AND WE’LL WORK WITH PROVINCES, IT’S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT FOR EACH PROVINCES, BUT WE BELIEVE CHILD CARE IS ESSENTIAL. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IT’S AFFORDABLE. WE NEED IT BECAUSE IT’S GOING TO MAKE A MASSIVE DIFFERENCE IN FAMILIES’ LIVES.>>Rosemary: WHAT ABOUT PROVINCES THAT HAVE AFFORDABLE CHILD CARE, QUÉBEC FOR EXAMPLE.>>WE HAVE TO FIGURE THAT IN. B.C. HAS A PILOT PROJECT THEY’RE WORKING ON. WE RECOGNIZE PROVINCES THAT HAVE TAKEN STEPS OR ARE TAKING STEPS, THAT WOULD FACTOR INTO THE INVESTMENT.>>Rosemary: YOU CONSISTENTLY SAID AND SAID AGAIN TODAY, THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT GAVE $14 BILLION TO CORPORATIONS TO BUY LIMOUSINES AND PRIVATE JETS. THAT IS NOT WHAT THEY GAVE THEM THE MONEY FOR. IT WAS A RESPONSE TO A HUGE TAX REFORM THAT HAPPENED IN THE UNITED STATES. IT IS FOR CAPITAL INVESTMENT TO BUY NEW MACHINERY AND EQUIPMENT FOR COMPANIES. AND THAT GENERALLY CREATES MORE JOBS AND HELPS WORKERS. SO ARE YOU SAYING TO ME THAT YOU WOULD NOT HELP COMPANIES WITH CAPITAL INVESTMENT WHEN THEY ARE HAVING TO COMPETE WITH MASSIVE TRAFFIC REFORM IN THE UNITED STATES.>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): YOU KNOW IN THE $14 BILLION TAX GIVEAWAY, THEY SPECIFICALLY INCLUDED CORPORATE JETS AND LIMOUSINES AS CAPITAL INVESTMENTS.>>BUT IT’S DISINGENUOUS TO SAY THAT’S WHAT IT’S FOR. IT’S FOR MACHINERY THAT COMPANIES NEED TO WORK.>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): WHAT THEY’VE DONE IS WHAT MR. HARPER DID IN THE PAST, TO GIVE A BLANK CHEQUE TO CORPORATIONS. NO COMMITMENT, NO REQUIREMENT THAT HAS TO INVEST IN JOB CREATION. THAT’S A BLANK CHEQUE.>>Rosemary: YOU WOULD CANCEL THAT?>>ABSOLUTELY I WOULD CANCEL THAT.>>WOULD YOU GIVE $14 BILLION IF THEY MADE A COMMITMENT FOR JOB CREATION?>>JOB CREATION IS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF INVESTMENT. I WOULDN’T GIVE $14 BILLION AWAY TO A CORPORATIONS WHICH INCLUDE THE ABILITY TO BUY CORPORATE JETS AS ONE OF THEM. THERE IS NO RESTRICTION. DOESN’T SAY THEY HAVE TO INVEST IN A FACTORY OR A WORKER. THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT. TO ME, THAT’S A BLANK CHEQUE AND, NO, I WOULD NEVER GIVE BLANK CHEQUE TO CORPORATIONS.>>Rosemary: YOU UNDERSTAND THAT CORPORATIONS DRIVE GROWTH AND PRODUCTIVITY IN THE COUNTRY, THAT’S WHAT THEY’RE TRYING TO SPARK?>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHEN WE GIVE BLANK CHEQUES TO CORPORATIONS, THEY CAN WALK AWAY? I’VE GROWN UP IN WINDSOR. I’VE SEEN WHAT HAPPENS. THEY CAN CLOSE DOWN THE SHOPS AND LEAVE PEOPLE STRANDED. THEY’VE DONE THAT BEFORE. THAT’S WRONG.>>Rosemary: WE’LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT VOTER. HERE’S A LITTLE BIT ABOUT DINA.>>HI, DEENA BARAKAT. I GRADUATED THIS FALL. I AM ORIGINALLY FROM SUDAN. I GOT MY CITIZENSHIP A FEW WEEKS AGO. I AM A FIRST-TIME VOTER. I’M INTERESTED IN THE AGENDA. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THEIR STRATEGY IS TO ENSURE INTERNATIONALLY WE’RE REGARDED TO A HIGHER STANDARD THAN IT IS TODAY.>>Rosemary: OVER TO YOU, DINA.>>SO I’VE HEARD WHAT YOU’RE INTENDING TO DO ON A NATIONAL LEVEL, BUT ON THE FLIP SIDE OF THE COIN, IF YOU’RE ELECTED INTO OFFICE, YOU HAVE TO REPRESENT US INTERNATIONALLY. AND SOME OF THE AGENDA THAT IS MENTIONED, THE ITEMS, THAT YOU MENTIONED DURING YOUR CAMPAIGN, CANCELLING THE ARMS TRADE DEAL, STANDING UP TO TRUMP AND, FOR EXAMPLE, THE — NOT FOR EXAMPLE, THE SITUATION THAT IS GIVEN TO YOU WITH OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH CHINA. YOU SAY ITS COURAGEOUS LEADERSHIP THAT IS NEEDED. WE ALREADY KNOW THAT THESE COUNTRIES AND A LOT OF THE COUNTRIES GLOBALLY WILL RETALIATE IF YOU STAND UP TO THEM IF YOU CANCEL CONTRACTS. I’D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IS YOUR STRATEGY, YOUR PLAN IF YOU’RE ELECTED INTO OFFICE TOMORROW.>>I HEAR YOU. IT’S TOUGH TO MAKE DECISIONS LIKE THAT. I CAN GIVE YOU THE ARMS DEAL EXAMPLE. BASICALLY, I DON’T THINK IT MAKES SENSE THAT CANADA IS SELLING WEAPONS TO A COUNTRY LIKE SAUDI ARABIA, WHEN SAUDI ARABIA HAS BEEN IMPLICATED IN THE KILLING OF A JOURNALIST. THEY’RE INVOLVED IN A KILLING OF PEOPLE IN YEMEN. AND THE HUMAN RIGHTS TRACK RECORD OF THAT COUNTRY WITH RESPECT TO ITS OWN PEOPLE IS HORRIBLE.>>I AGREE. I’M WITH YOU IN A SENSE. LET’S CANCEL ALL ARMS DEALS, BUT HOW ARE YOU GOING TO — THAT’S A VERY POWERFUL PLAYER ON THE GLOBAL STAGE. THAT’S THE LEADER OF THE ISLAMIC WORLD. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO HANDLE THE RETALIATION FROM THEM OR THEIR ALLIES AND ALSO HONOUR THE COMMITMENTS FOR WHAT YOU’RE SAYING YOU WANT TO DO INTERNATIONALLY, AS CANADA, AS A CONSENSUS-BUILDER, BECAUSE YOU DO NEED THEIR SUPPORT TO GO INTO THE COUNTRIES AND INCREASE WOMEN’S RIGHTS OR EDUCATION. IT’S A DELICATE BALANCE. IF YOU CANCEL THAT ARMS DEAL, AND THEY RETALIATE, ONE, WE’RE SENDING A MESSAGE TO THE WORLD THAT OUR CURRENT LEADERS CAN CANCEL AGREEMENTS, WHICH OUR PREVIOUS LEADERS ENTERED INTO. IT’S –>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): THERE IS A CRITERIA WE HAVE. THE CRITERIA THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THE HUMAN RIGHTS TRACK RECORD OF A COUNTRY, PARTICULARLY IF HAD THE SALES OF WEAPONS AND EVALUATE WHETHER WEAPONS SHOULD GO THERE OR NOT.>>WE ALREADY SIGNED A CONTRACT.>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): BUT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY, GIVEN ALL THE INFORMATION WE HAVE NOW, GIVEN THE RECENT EVENTS LIKE THE KILLING OF A JOURNALIST, AND THE IMPLICATION IN THAT. I CAN’T THINK OF, IF WE HAVE THE CRITERIA THAT EXISTS, FOR US TO SAY WE’RE NOT GOING TO SELL ARMS FOR A COUNTRY, I CAN’T THINK OF AN EXAMPLE WHEN WE WOULD SAY NO.>>YOU CAN CANCEL THE AGREEMENT, BUT HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DEAL WITH THE RETALIATION TO CANADA, IT’S GOING TO IMPACT THE ECONOMY.>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): IF WE WANT TO BE LEADERS, WITH WE HAVE TO TAKE A STRONG STAND.>>WHAT ARE THE STEPS TO HANDLE THE RETALIATION. WE’VE GOTTEN HIT FROM CHINA. WE INCREASE OUR RELATIONSHIPS, BUT JUST TO BE SMART AND BRING MONEY TO CANADA.>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): THIS IS OUR POSITION. I’D BE VERY CLEAR. I’VE MADE THIS DECISION. NOW COMMUNICATE THAT DECISION CLEARLY AND SAY, THIS IS VERY TROUBLING. THIS IS VERY WRONG. COMMUNICATE THAT CLEARLY AND TAKE A FIRM STANCE.>>WHAT IS YOUR MITIGATION? IF YOU PLAN TO DO SOMETHING LIKE, YOU ANALYZED THE RISK AND YOU HAVE PLANS IN PLACE TO HANDLE THE RETALIATION THAT IS GOING TO COME. WE KNOW TODAY THAT THE WORLD — THE GLOBAL PLATFORM HAS CHANGED. THERE IS LACK OF CIVILITY. THESE COUNTRIES COME FROM VERY DIFFERENT CULTURES AND BACKGROUND, THEY DON’T CARE WITH DEMOCRACY. THE LEADING REPRESENTATION OF DEMOCRACY, THE U.S. THEMSELVES ARE TAKING A DIFFERENT STEP.>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): PEOPLE EXPECT US TO STAND UP AND I THINK STANDING UP WILL HAVE REPERCUSSIONS, BUT I’M READY TO HANDLE THOSE.>>HOW, HOW?>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): I’LL DEFEND MY POSITION. I MADE THE POSITION BASED ON PRINCIPLES.>>YOU WILL TAKE A HIT TO THE ECONOMY. IT’S A DELICATE BALANCE.>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): WE HAVE TO HAVE PRINCIPLES, WE HAVE TO HAVE VALUES. IF WE CAN SELL WEAPONS TO A COUNTRY –>>HAVE YOU THAT INTO THE MONEY — THE WAY YOU’RE TRYING NATIONALLY?>>WHAT WOULD I DO WITH RESPECT TO THE DEAL ITSELF, I SAID THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF NEEDS IN CANADA, OUR ARMED FORCES HAVE A LOT OF NEEDS. WE COULD CONTINUE THE JOBS AND MAKE SURE THE JOBS CONTINUE BY ENSURING THAT THE EQUIPMENT IS PROVIDED TO ARMS — TO SERVICES THAT WE NEED HERE IN CANADA. OF COURSE.>>Rosemary: HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE ANSWERS?>>I STILL DON’T KNOW WHAT THE PLAN IS, HOW WE’RE GOING TO HANDLE RETALIATION WHICH IS A HUGE RISK THAT WE’RE TAKING. AND IT IS GOING TO AFFECT OUR ECONOMY. IT’S A DELICATE BALANCE. I UNDERSTAND THAT, FOR SOMEBODY WHO IS GOING TO REPRESENT US, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW YOU’RE READY TO HANDLE THAT. WE DON’T HAVE MUCH LEVERAGE. WE DON’T HAVE THE MILITARY. WE DON’T HAVE MUCH LEVERAGE IN POLITICAL TERMS. WE DON’T HAVE THE STICK OR THE CARROTS.>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): WE JUST DON’T SELL WEAPONS TO A COUNTRY LIKE THAT –>>IT’S NOT JUST THE WEAPONS.>>Rosemary: YOU KEEP SAYING THE N.D.P. WILL STAND UP TO DONALD TRUMP. SO THIS IS SORT OF IN LINE WHAT YOU’RE SAYING, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE?>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): WE DON’T JUMP TO RATIFY A DEAL THAT THE DEMOCRATS IN THE STATES THEMSELVES ARE FIGHTING TO IMPROVE. I DON’T SEE WHY THERE IS A RUSH, IF WE KNOW IN CONGRESS IT’S BEING HELD UP. WHY WOULD MR. TRUDEAU SAY WE HAVE TO MOVE AHEAD WITH IT WHEN WE KNOW IT’S NOT GOING TO BE APPROVED? I SAY LET’S NEGOTIATE TO MAKE SURE THE PROTECTIONS ARE IN PLACE, ARE ENFORCEABLE. SO THERE IS A CHAPTER ON ENVIRONMENTAL AND LABOUR PROTECTIONS. NONE OF IT IS ENFORCEABLE. SO HOW DOES THAT HELP OUT A CANADIAN WORKER? WE HAVE TO BE STRONG AND SAY WE’RE NOT GOING TO RATIFY A DEAL UNTIL PROTECTIONS ARE IN PLACE. DEMOCRATS IN THE SOUTH ARE DOING THAT.>>Rosemary: YOU WOULD WANT TO RESTART NEGOTIATIONS?>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): THE FIRST STEP IS MAKE SURE THE PROTECTIONS IN PLACE ARE ENFORCEABLE. WITHOUT THE ENFORCEMENT, IT’S MEANINGLESS.>>Rosemary: YOU WOULD OPEN IT UP AGAIN?>>WE WOULD NOT RATIFY UNTIL THERE ARE PROTECTIONS IN PLACE. I RESPECT THE WORK DONE IN THE STATES BY PROGRESSIVES SAYING THAT WE SHOULD PUT PROTECTIONS IN PLACE SO THAT OUR WORKERS ARE GETTING A FAIR DEAL.>>Rosemary: YOU HAVE ALSO — I’M NOT CLEAR WHERE YOU ARE ON THIS RIGHT NOW, BUT YOU JOKED THAT YOU HOPED DONALD TRUMP WOULD GET IMPEACHED.>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): I WASN’T JOKING. [APPLAUSE]>>Rosemary: THEN THE NEXT DAY, YOU SAID IT WASN’T A JOKE.>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): I STOLE THE PUNCH LINE.>>Rosemary: DO YOU THINK THAT KIND OF COMMENT IS APPROPRIATE FOR SOMEONE WHO MIGHT BE SITTING ACROSS A TABLE FROM OUR BIGGEST TRADING PARTNER AND SOMEONE WHO YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF PROFESSION RELATIONSHIP WITH? IS THAT AN APPROPRIATE COMMENT ON THE PRESIDENT AND A DOMESTIC PROCESS?>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): I GREW UP WITH THE BELIEF, YOU’VE GOT GOOD FRIENDS, YOU CAN HAVE A GOOD CONVERSATION WITH THEM. YOU ALSO HAVE TO CALL THEM OUT WHEN THEY’RE WRONG. IT’S WRONG TO STRIP KIDS FROM THEIR MOM’S ARMS. IT’S WRONG TO PUT KIDS IN CAGES. IT’S WRONG WHAT HE’S DOING.>>Rosemary: IT’S DIFFERENT TO MAKE A COMMENT ON A POLICY DECISION AND WHERE YOU SIT ON THE ISSUE VERSUS THE UNITED STATES. AND THEN IT’S ANOTHER THING TO SAY THAT YOU AGREE THE U.S. PRESIDENT SHOULD BE IMPEACHED. YOU KNOW THAT HE REACTS — [LAUGHTER] — ABRUPTLY TO THINGS, RIGHT? I WONDER WHEN YOU MEET HIM FOR THE FIRST TIME AND HE KNOWS YOU’VE SAID THAT ABOUT HIM, HOW WOULD THAT CHANGE THE NATURE OF YOUR RELATIONSHIP? BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE TO.>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): IN MY EXPERIENCE, WHEN YOU HAVE A BULLY, THEY DON’T RESPECT YOU IF YOU’RE WEAK. THEY DON’T RESPECT YOU IF YOU DON’T STAND UP TO THEM. IF YOU HAVE A BULLY, YOU HAVE TO STAND UP TO THEM AND THAT’S WHAT I WOULD DO.>>Rosemary: DEENA JUST BECAME A CITIZEN. [APPLAUSE] WATCH THIS.>>HI, MY NAME IS SUNNY RAJWAN. I’M FROM ABBOTSFORD, B.C. I’M MARRIED WITH ONE CHILD AND ONE ON THE WAY. I WORK FOR THE PUBLIC SERVICE SECTOR. THE MAIN CONCERN IS INCREASING COST OF LIVING. IT’S HARDER TO BUY A HOME. EVEN THOUGH THE PARTIES ARE PROMISING TO PAY FOR SOCIAL SPENDING TO MAKE IT MORE AFFORDABLE TO LIVE IN CANADA, MY CONCERN IS NONE OF THE PARTIES ARE TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY’RE GOING TO PAY FOR THE SPENDING. AFFORDABILITY BE WORSE OFF FOR ME BY PAYING HIGHER TAXES OR WILL CANADA BURDEN MY CHILDREN’S GENERATION TO PAY FOR SPENDING THAT WE’RE DOING TODAY?>>Rosemary: HI SUNNY.>>YOU SAW FROM THE VIDEO, THE COST OF LIVING IS GOING UP. LOWER MAINLAND, EXPENSIVE HOUSING. WHICH CAUSES OTHER GOODS AND SERVICES TO BE EXPENSIVE. JUST HOUSEHOLD GOODS LIKE A FAMILY LIKE MINE NEED. THE N.D.P. ARE SAYING WE’LL GIVE YOU $9 BILLION IN NATIONAL DENTACARE PROGRAMME. A FEW BILLION SPENT ON THE PHARMACARE. $150 BILLION ON GREEN TRANSPORT. $30 MILLION TO FERRIES. GREAT, FAMILIES LIKE MINE NEED THAT. AFFORDABILITY IS ALREADY HARD. HOW DO WE KNOW HOW THE N.D.P. IS GOING TO PAY FOR BILLIONS AND BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF PROMISES, OVER AND ABOVE WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO COST IT.>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): SO SOME OF THEM, YOU’RE CLOSE ON, THE $30 MILLION TO THE FERRIES, BANG ON. FOR THE DENTAL PROGRAMME, $856 MILLION A YEAR FOR IT TO BE RUNNING. THERE WOULD BE A BUMP-UP IN ONE YEAR, BUT THAT’S THE ONGOING COST.>>THAT’S FAIR. BUT HOW ARE YOU GOING TO FUND IT?>>I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A QUICK EXAMPLE OF WHAT MR. TRUDEAU SPENT MONEY ON. LAST YEAR HE MADE THE FOLLOWING SPENDING COMMITMENTS. $14 BILLION TAX GIVEAWAY, HE BOUGHT A PIPELINE FOR $4.5 BILLION AND WAIVED $6 BILLION IN CORPORATE LOANS. IN ONE YEAR, HE SPENT CLOSE TO $25 BILLION IN SPENDING COMMITMENTS.>>CAN YOU SAY –>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): I WOULDN’T MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. I’D MAKE DIFFERENT DECISIONS. ALL THAT $25 BILLION WHEN THE THE WEALTHIEST CANADIANS. DIDN’T GO TO PEOPLE LIKE YOU, FAMILIES THAT NEED IT.>>IN A SENSE WHAT I’M HEARING IS WHAT I THOUGHT ABOUT, THESE PROMISES AND THE EVEN IN PLATFORM, YOU’RE — N.D.P. PLATFORM, YOUR FUNDING IT OFTEN THE BACKS OF THE SUPER RICH.>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): I’LL GIVE YOU TWO THINGS AND YOU CAN COME BACK AT ME.>>SORRY.>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): FIRST IS THE CHOICES, WE MAKE DIFFERENT CHOICES AND IN ADDITION TO THAT WE’D INCREASE REVENUE ON THE SUPER RICH AND WEALTHY.>>YOU WON’T RAISE MY TAXES?>>NOT AT ALL.>>NOT 1%.>>NOT 1%.>>YOU WON’T RACK UP DEBT?>>WE’RE NOT AFRAID TO MAKE INVESTMENTS IN PEOPLE TO DELIVER PROGRAMMES. WE’RE NOT AFRAID OF THAT, BUT WE’RE CONFIDENT THE DECISION WE’RE MAKING IS GOING TO INCREASE REVENUE AND MAKE BETTER CHOICES WITH THE REVENUE WE HAVE TO INVEST IN PEOPLE.>>FAIR ENOUGH. BECAUSE WHAT YOU SAID CONCERNS ME MORE. THE LAST TIME WE CHECKED, WE WORK IN A CAPITALIST ECONOMY. THE RICH WANT TO GET RICHER. CORPORATIONS ARE IN IT FOR THE BOTTOM LINE. THEY EMPLOY THE MIDDLE CLASS. IF YOU JACK UP THE TAXES, SURE, THEY’LL PAY IT, BUT DOWN THE ROAD, THEY’LL SAY, WE’RE LEAVING, WE’RE GOING TO A BETTER TAX JURISDICTION, LIKE THE U.S., AND WE’RE GOING TO CUT JOBS, WE’RE OUT THE DOOR, RIGHT? THEN I’M SCARED THAT MR. JAGMEET SINGH ARE GOING TO END UP ON MY DOOR, AND SAY, PAY UP FOR THE PROMISES NOW.>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): WON’T HAPPEN.>>KIND OF THING THAT ROBIN HOOD, TAKING FROM THE RICH AND GIVING TO THE POOR.>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): I BELIEVE TAKING FROM THE RICH.>>WE’RE NOT A SOCIALIST ECONOMY. THE CORPORATIONS AREN’T IN IT FOR A CHARITY GAME.>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): THEY SHOULD PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE.>>THEY SHOULD, BUT THAT’S NOT HOW ECONOMICS WORKS.>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): THOSE WITH WEALTH OVER TO MILLION, WE WANT TO PUT A 1%. PEOPLE SAY WHY NOT 5, WHY NOT 10? WE FOUND, THE P.B.O. COSTED THIS OUT AND IT WOULD COST MORE FOR MONEY TO MOVE THE MONEY THAN KEEP IT ON THE JURISDICTIONS. WE ARE ON TOP THAT. WE DON’T WANT THEM TO MOVE IT AROUND.>>WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE CLIMATE RIGHT NOW. WE’RE GOING TO REACH LEVELS OF CARBON EMISSIONS WHERE IT’S IMPOSSIBLE TO REVERSE. OUR CHILDREN ARE GOING TO SUFFER. I DON’T WANT THEM FIGHTING FOR RESOURCES LIKE WATER AND ENERGY. WE NEED TO SERVE THE PLANET. WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING NOW.>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): I AGREE.>>ON THE FLIP-SIDE, I LIVED IN CALGARY DURING THE DOWN TURN. I WAS AFFECTED DEEPLY. HAD A BABY, BOUGHT A HOUSE LOST MY JOB, MY WIFE LOST HER JOB. MY FRIENDS LOST THEIR JOB. THE STANCE ON THE PIPELINE IS A HARD NO. YOU’RE TURNING YOUR BACK ON THOSE CANADIANS. THAT’S WHAT IT FEELS LIKE. WHY NOT PHASE OFF THE PIPELINE? INSTEAD OF TOO BAD, SO SAD, WE’RE GOING GREEN. WHY NOT PHASE OFF AND HELP THE CANADIANS THAT ARE SUFFERING?>>I DON’T KNOW IF THE VOTES ARE THERE OR NO, BECAUSE PEOPLE SAY POLLING GOES THIS WAY OR THAT WAY. AS A VALUE, IT DOESN’T MAKE SENSE TO PUT THE COASTLINE AT RISK, INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES, THEIR RIGHTS ARE INFRINGED ON. IT’S DILUTED BITUMEN, WE DON’T KNOW HOW TO CLEAN IT UP. I SAID NO FOR VARIOUS REASONS, BUT I WANT TO SAY YES TO WORKERS. I KNOW THIS JUST DIDN’T HAPPEN JUST NOW. I HAVE A FRIEND IN EDMONTON, 20 YEARS AGO, AND THE SAME THING HAPPENED BACK THEN. BUST AND BOOM HAPPENS AGAIN AND AGAIN. WORKERS, NO MATTER HOW HARD THEY WORK, THEY GO THROUGH PERIODS WHERE THEY LOSE EVERYTHING AND GAIN EVERYTHING. WHAT I WANT TO DO, OUR PLAN TO FIGHT THE CLIMATE CRISIS IS A JOBS PLAN. WHAT WE’RE COMMITTING TO DOING, WORKERS SHOULD NOT HAVE TO HAVE AN ECONOMY THAT IS VOLATILE. I WANT TO GIVE STABILITY AND PREDICTABILITY.>>HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DO THAT?>>WE WANT TO MAKE INVESTMENTS IN RETROFIT, CLEAN ENERGY. PUT ALL THE SKILLS IN TOWNS WHERE THEY CAN CREATE LONG-TERM JOBS.>>Rosemary: JUST TO BE CLEAR, WITH THE EXPANSION OF THE T.M.X. PART OF IT THAT WE ALREADY OWN, THE OLD PIPELINE, WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THAT? SELL IT? KEEP IT? DO YOU CONTINUE WITH THE EXPANSION?>>NO THE EXPANSION. THAT’S MY CLEAR POSITION ON THAT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE IS TRANSITION IN PLACE AND SUPPORTS IN PLACE FOR MEASURES. WE HAVE A WHOLE HOST OF MEASURES. CHANGES TO E-I, TRAINING.>>Rosemary: DO YOU SELL THE PART WE OWN?>>THE PART WE OWN, WHAT I WOULD DO IS FORENSIC ANALYSIS OF WHAT WE HAVE, UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ASSET IT WORTH. I DON’T HAVE THE DETAILS WHAT IT’S EXACTLY WORTH AND WHAT IS THE BEST DECISION TO DO WITH THAT. MY MY INVESTMENTS IN THE FUTURE GO TO CLEAN ENERGY. I WOULD END FOSSIL FUEL SUBSIDIES AND INVEST IN RENEWABLE ENERGIES.>>Rosemary: GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP THE FOSSIL FUEL SUBSIDIES. SUBSIDIES TO THE L.N.G. PROPOSALING PROJECT. WHY ARE YOU OKAY WITH SUBSIDIZING THAT PROJECT BUT NOT THE FOSSIL FUEL SUBSIDIES?>>I END ALL FOSSIL FUEL SUBSIDIES. I DON’T WANT TO SPEND ANY MONEY ON FOSSIL FUEL COMPANIES. IF THERE IS PENALTY, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I SPEND THE LEAST AMOUNT.>>Rosemary: WHAT ABOUT LIQUEFIED NATURAL GAS, WHY ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT?>>I’M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH ANY FORM OF CARBON. THE FUTURE OF THE PLANET HAS TO BE A PLANET –>>Rosemary: WHY NOT CANCEL THOSE SUBSIDIES?>>THAT’S WHAT I’M SAYING. WHAT I WOULD DO IMMEDIATELY IS END ALL SUBSIDIES?>>INCLUDING THIS L.N.G. PROJECT?>>ANY FOSSIL FUEL SECTOR. IF THERE IS PENALTIES IN PLACE, I DON’T WANT TO PAY MORE–>>MY NAME IS DAVID ASPINALL. I’M MARRIED WITH TWO DAUGHTERS AT UNIVERSITY. I LIVE IN MONTREAL. TOGETHER WITH MY WIFE, WE OWN AND OPERATE AN INTERNET BUSINESS. AND WE CONTRIBUTE A LOT TO THE LOCAL FABRIC, JOBS AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE IN OUR NEIGHBOURHOOD. I’M UNDECIDED AS A VOTER BECAUSE I HAVEN’T YET HEARD FROM THE LEADERS OF THE PARTIES, A CLEAR VISION ABOUT HOW THEY’RE GOING TO DEAL WITH THE CHALLENGES RELATED TO NEW TECHNOLOGY.>>Rosemary: ALL RIGHT, DAVID.>>HI.>>HI. I’M FROM MONTREAL AND I OWN A BUSINESS TOGETHER WITH MY WIFE. AND WE STARTED IT — MY WIFE STARTED THE BUSINESS 15 YEARS AGO FROM OUR BASEMENT.>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): CONGRATS.>>WE NEVER TOOK MONEY FROM GOVERNMENT, DID EVERYTHING ON OUR OWN. IT’S TOUGH BECAUSE TECHNOLOGY TODAY IS GETTING INCREASINGLY DOWN TO THE FEW PLAYERS THAT REALLY CONTROL AND SHAPE WHAT IS GOING ON. SO YOU KNOW, I HAVE RESERVATIONS ABOUT THAT AND SOME CONCERNS. AND, UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, I THINK OUR GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN ASLEEP AT THE SWITCH. AND THEY HAVEN’T REALLY CONSIDERED, YOU KNOW, BEYOND TAX ISSUES, WHICH IS A REAL PROBLEM, THEY HAVEN’T CONSIDERED THE IMPACT ON SMALL BUSINESSES AS WELL AS LARGER BUSINESSES. SO YOU KNOW, YOU JUST NEED TO GO TO ANY MALL AND YOU’LL SEE HOW MANY VACANT SPACES THERE ARE. AND YOU’RE JUST WAITING FOR THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, SHOE TO DROP, BECAUSE THERE IS GOING TO BE ANOTHER BANKRUPTCY BECAUSE AMAZON HAS ESSENTIALLY WIPED OUT ANOTHER. BUT MY CONCERN ISN’T JUST ABOUT HOW THESE COMPANIES ARE ROBBING FROM OUR COUNTRY’S TREASURY. I’M WORRIED ABOUT HOW THEY’RE ROBBING OUR RESOURCES, HOW THEY’RE ROBBING CONSUMERS, AND NOBODY IS ACTUALLY KIND OF EVEN THINKING ABOUT THAT. SO THE FACT THAT THIS IS JUST COMING UP ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL TELLS ME THAT WE’RE BEHIND THE CURVE. IN THE UNITED STATES, JUST A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO THEY ANNOUNCED THEY’RE GOING TO BE BRINGING AMAZON AND GOOGLE IN TO HEAR TESTIMONY ABOUT HOW THEY’RE AFFECTING SMALL BUSINESS. BUT IN CANADA, THERE IS NOTHING LIKE THAT. SO AS A LEADER OF THE PARTY AND AS A LEADER OF GOVERNMENT, WOULD YOU, IN FACT, CONSIDER HAVING SOME FORM OF COUNCIL OR COMMITTEE THAT WOULD CONSIDER THE IMPACTS ON CANADIAN BUSINESSES?>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): THE TAXATION QUESTION IS NOT JUST A MATTER OF REVENUE, IT’S A MATTER OF COMPETITION. SO CANADA HAS LOST OUT BECAUSE WEB GIANTS EFFECTIVELY OPERATE WITHOUT ANY TAXATION, WITHOUT ANY RESTRICTIONS AND IT’S BEEN A INCENTIVE AND SUBSIDY OF Facebook, GOOGLE AND NETFLIX. CANADA HAS SUBSIDIZED THE COMPANIES. BY BEING SUBSIDIZED, THEY’VE GOTTEN AHEAD OF TRADITIONAL MEDIA. SO WE’VE LOST OUT IN CULTURE, IN INVESTMENTS IN THE LOCAL MEDIA, BECAUSE CANADA, MR. TRUDEAU AND MR. HARPER BEFORE HIM, HAVE BEEN BASICALLY GIVING AWAY BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO THE OTHER COMPANIES THAT HAVE TAKEN THAT AS ADVANTAGE AND RUN WITH IT. SO I THINK IT’S CREATED MORE WEALTH CONCENTRATED INTO FEWER HANDS, HURT LOCAL BUSINESSES, OPPORTUNITIES LIKE YOURS TO CONTINUE AND GROW. THAT’S A MASSIVE PROBLEM.>>Rosemary: I’M GOING TO GIVE YOU A SHORT FOLLOW-UP.>>I THINK THAT’S CORRECT. AND I THINK TAX IS AN ISSUE. IT’S A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE. I DON’T THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE THEIR WAY WITH EVERY COUNTRY THEY’RE IN. BUT I THINK CANADA HAS BEEN COMPLACENT AND I THINK THEY NEED TO GET ONTO THIS. IT’S NOT JUST ABOUT THE TAX DOLLARS, IT’S THE JOBS, THE RESOURCES, IT’S THE WAY THEY’RE CRUSHING BUSINESSES. YOU KNOW, WE CANNOT WAIT FOR SOMEBODY ELSE TO GIVE US A MODEL OR STRATEGY. SO I HAVEN’T HEARD, WOULD YOU COMMIT, FOR EXAMPLE, TO HAVE SOME FORM OF COMMISSION THAT WOULD LOOK AT THIS, TO SYSTEM LATE JOB GROWTH?>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): ABSOLUTELY, WHAT WE DO WITH THE NEW ADVENT OF TECHNOLOGY AND E-COMMERCE AND THE CONSOLIDATION OF POWER IN A COUPLE HANDFULS OF WEB GIANTS HAS HURT FORMS OF COMPETITION. I WOULD LOOK AT THE IMPACT AND HOW THAT HAS HURT BUSINESSES AND HOW WE CAN SUPPORT LOCAL BUSINESSES GROWING. WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. I’D BE COMMITTED TO MAKING DECISIONS THAT BENEFIT SMALL BUSINESSES OVER THESE POWERFUL WEB GIANTS. I’M ABSOLUTELY COMMITTED TO THAT.>>Rosemary: I’LL INSERT MYSELF. TO BE CLEAR, YOU HAVE A PLAN TO TAX THE DIGITAL GIANTS, THE SAME AS LIBERALS? DIFFERENT LEVEL OF TAXATION?>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): THEY SHOULD BE ON THE SAME LEVEL PLAYING FIELD. WHAT THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT IS PROPOSING IS A GENERAL, COUPLE PERCENTAGE POINT TAX. I’M SAYING WHATEVER LOCAL PLAYER WOULD HAVE TO DO, THAT IS WHAT A WEB GIANT SHOULD DO.>>Rosemary: YOUR LARGE BUSINESS CORPORATE TAX RATE?>>EXACTLY. THE SAME AMOUNT. THERE IS ALSO AN EXEMPTION NOW, IF YOU ADVERTISE, YOU’RE A COMPANY AND YOU ADVERTISE THROUGH ONE OF THE WEB GIANTS, ESSENTIALLY THERE IS A LOOPHOLE YOU DON’T HAVE TO PAY ANY TAX.>>NO, IT’S RIDICULOUS.>>IT’S INCENTIVIZING PEOPLE, CORPORATIONS TO INVEST IN WEB GIANTS AS OPPOSED TO LOCAL COMPANIES. I WOULD REVERSE THAT.>>Rosemary: YOU WOULD ROLL BACK BIG BUSINESS CORPORATE TAX RATES FROM 15% TO 18%. ARE YOU NOT WORRIED LOOKING AT OUR NEIGHBOUR, WHO IS SLASHING TAXES AND TRYING TO MAKE THINGS EASIER TO BRING BUSINESSES BACK TO HIS COUNTRY, ARE YOU NOT WORRIED THAT MOVE WOULD DO THE OPPOSITE, PUSH INVESTMENT OUT OF CANADA? WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO COUNTER IT?>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): I LOOK AT THOSE DECISIONS. IT WOULD BE GOING BACK TO 2010 RATES. IT’S NOT SUPER DRAMATIC. IT’S BOLD, BUT IT’S GOING BACK TO RATES WE’VE HAD BEFORE. I LOOK AT DECISIONS COMPANIES MAKE TO INVEST IN A COUNTRY. THERE IS A LIST OF CRITERIA. TAXATION IS ONE, BUT IT’S NOT NEAR THE TOP. THE TOP REASONS ARE STABILITY OF A GOVERNMENT, STABILITY OF THE COUNTRY, EDUCATED WORKFORCE, SOCIAL SERVICES AND WE EXCEL IN ALL OF THESE. I’M CONFIDENT WE’D BE ABLE TO RETAIN AND GROW BUSINESSES IN CANADA WITH THAT RATE.>>Rosemary: OKAY. I AM PERSONALLY UNCLEAR ON WHERE YOU SIT ON DEFICITS. BECAUSE NOT TOO LONG AGO YOU SAID YOU WON’T RACK UP MORE DEBT. DO YOU THINK THE LIBERALS PLAN TO HAVE $27 BILLION DEFICIT IS ACCEPTABLE?>>IT’S THE WAY THEY RACKED UP THE DEFICIT. THEY’VE BEEN INVESTING IN BILLIONAIRES. GIVING AWAY BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO THE WEALTHIEST.>>THEY TAXED THE WEALTHIEST.>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): THEY HAVEN’T. THE TOP 1% UNDER MR. TRUDEAU HAVE PAID MORE TAX AND LESS WEALTH –>>Rosemary: I’M ASKING WHAT YOU’RE INTERESTED IN TERMS OF DEFICITS. ARE YOU GOING TO GO INTO DEFICIT OR PLEDGE FOR A BALANCED BUDGET?>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): MY PLEDGE IS THIS, I WOULD BE PRUDENT AND RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RESOURCES I HAVE. I WOULDN’T GIVE AWAY BILLIONS TO BILLIONAIRES. I WOULD INCREASE PEOPLE. BUT I WOULDN’T COME IT TO ANY — COMMIT TO ANY AUSTERITY. I WOULDN’T CUT PROGRAMMES. I WOULD NOT GIVE BILLIONS AWAY TO BILLIONAIRES.>>Rosemary: WHERE IS THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION? ARE YOU PLANNING TO BALANCE THE BOOKS OR CARRY A DEFICIT?>>I’M GOING TO LIVE WITHIN OUR MEANS. I WOULDN’T BE RUNNING A DEFICIT LIKE MR. TRUDEAU TO GIVE AWAY BILLIONS TO BILLIONAIRES. AND I CERTAINLY WOULDN’T CUT SERVICES. I’D LOOK AT OUR FINANCIAL SITUATION AND BE PRUDENT AND RESPONSIBLE, BUT INVEST IN PROGRAMMES THAT HELP PEOPLE.>>Rosemary: SO WE’RE CLEAR, YOU’RE WILLING TO HAVE SOME SORT OF DEFICIT, NOT JUST AS BIG?>>I WOULD DO IT FOR A DIFFERENT REASON. IF IT COMES TO A POINT WHERE I HAVE A MAKE AN INVESTMENT AND IT MEANS GOING INTO DEFICIT, I WOULD ONLY DO THAT TO DELIVER CHILD CARE, UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE, PHARMACARE, DENTACARE, NOT TO GIVE A MASSIVE TAX BREAK TO THE WEALTHIEST.>>Rosemary: STAY WITH US. [ ♪♪♪ ]>>MY NAME IS FARHEEN LAKHANI. I LIVE AND WORK IN DOWNTOWN TORONTO. I WORK IN THE FINANCE SERVICES INDUSTRY. I’M PAKISTANI CANADIAN. I’VE BEEN IN CANADA 12 YEARS AND IN MY SPARE TIME I VOLUNTEER. I’M PASSIONATE ABOUT EMPOWERING WOMEN AND WORKING WITH MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES. I VOTED LIBERAL, HOWEVER, FOR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS I VOTED N.D.P. THIS YEAR, I’M UNDECIDED AND I’M NOT SURE WHO I’M GOING TO VOTE FOR.>>I’M GOING TO START WITH THE POSITIVE, IT MAKES ME VERY HAPPY AND VERY HOPEFUL THAT CANADIAN POLITICS TO SEE YOU ON THIS PLATFORM. I AM AN N.D.P. SUPPORTER, MY VALUE SYSTEM ALIGNS WITH THE PLATFORM. WHAT I STRUGGLE WITH, YOUR LEADERSHIP CREDENTIALS. WE’VE SEEN YOU’VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO CREATE MOMENTUM AND GALVANIZE, AND THAT IS THE IN THE LOW FUNDRAISING NUMBERS. WE’VE SEEN HIGH ATTRITION RATES. A LOT OF N.D.P. HAVE NOT COME BACK TO RUN AND IN THE LOWER POLL NUMBERS. HOW CAN I FEEL CONFIDENT IN YOUR LEADERSHIP THAT YOU’LL BE ABLE TO REPRESENT ME, ALL CANADIANS, AND EXECUTE ON THE VISION THAT YOU SET OUT?>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): SO THERE IS A LOT OF QUESTIONS THERE. I BELIEVE IN CANADIANS WANTING SOMEONE WHO IS ON THEIR SIDE. IN TERMS OF WHERE WE’RE AT, IT TOOK US TIME TO GET THERE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT CANDIDATES, I’M PROUD OF THE FACT THAT WE WORKED HARD AND 49% OF THE CANDIDATES ARE WOMEN. IT WAS A COMMITMENT FOR ME. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE CHANGE THE STATUS QUO, THE OLD BOYS CLUB SOME OF OUR VETERANS MOVE ASIDE FOR YOUNG WOMEN TO COME UP. IN VICTORIA, A GREAT M.P., A LAWYER, WHO STEPPED ASIDE AND IN HIS PLACE, THE CANDIDATE IS A YOUNG CITY COUNCILLOR. HE’S PROUD OF THAT. I’M PROUD OF THAT.>>THAT’S A GREAT STORY, BUT ONLY ONE-THIRD OF N.D.P. THAT RUN IN 2013 HAVEN’T COME BACK. HOW CAN WE HAVE FAITH IN YOU TO BRING OTHER PARTIES TOGETHER?>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): OTHER EXAMPLES. NATHAN CULLEN, GREAT CHAMPION NOT RUNNING AGAIN. HE STEPPED ASIDE AND NOW THE MAYOR OF ONE OF HIS LARGEST CITY IS IS RUNNING. IN HAMILTON, WE HAVE AN ELDERLY MAN, WHO IS AMAZING. HE FOUGHT HARD FOR MOST OF HIS LIFE AS THE CITY COUNCILLOR, AS M.P.P. AND HE STEPPED ASIDE NOW AND IN HIS PLACE, A YOUNG RACIALIZED MAN, MATT GREENE. THAT SHOWS EXCITEMENT, NEW PEOPLE ARE COMING UP, ELECTED. THAT’S EXCITING. AND THE VETERANS ARE STILL HELPING HIM OUT.>>I HEAR ABOUT THE DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION IN THE PARTY WHICH MAKES ME HAPPY, HOWEVER, I FEEL YOU’VE SAID THE RIGHT THINGS, ESPECIALLY AROUND THE BLACKFACE SCANDAL, I FELT THE MESSAGE RESONATED WITH ME AND OTHER CANADIANS. YOU SHOWED GREAT LEADERSHIP. HOWEVER, WHEN IT COMES TO ACTION, LIKE BILL 21, I FELT YOU DIDN’T HAVE THE COURAGE TO TAKE ACTION. THAT YOU SHIED AWAY FROM ACTUALLY STANDING UP. SO AGAIN THAT RAISES QUESTIONS ABOUT YOUR LEADERSHIP.>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): I DON’T KNOW IF YOU SAW THE VIDEO YESTERDAY, BUT MY WHOLE LIFE — IS AN ACT OF DIFIANCE TO THE IDEA OF DESCRIMINATING PEOPLE. I GO TO MONTREAL, I GO TO QUEBEC. NO OTHER LEADER CAN GO THERE AND HAVE TO FACE PEOPLE CALLING THEM OUT FOR THE WAY THEY LOOK. I’M NOT AFRAID OF THAT, BECAUSE I KNOW CANADIANS FACE THAT EVERY DAY. PEOPLE ARE TOLD THEY DON’T BELONG BECAUSE OF THEIR GENDER, THE COLOUR OF THEIR SKIN, THEIR SEXUALITY. I GO INTO PLACES AND SAY, I’M TRYING TO BECOME THE PRIME MINISTER OF THE COUNTRY AND I HAVE A BEARD AND TURBAN AND I WANT TO FIGHT CLIMATE CRISIS AND WANT TO BUILD A BETTER COUNTRY. MY PRESENCE IS AN ACT OF SAYING WE DON’T HAVE TO DIVIDE PEOPLE ON THE WAY THEY LOOK.>>I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT. IF I COULD GET IN ON THE ACTION PIECE. TAKING ACTION ON BILL 21, I’M NOT A LAWYER, BUT I WANT TO KNOW, I’M SURE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN DO SOMETHING TO INSULATE THAT, BILL 21.>>THERE IS A COURT CHALLENGE GOING ON RIGHT NOW. THAT IS IMPORTANT. I SUPPORT THE RIGHT TO CHALLENGE IT IN COURT. AND THAT DECISION IS GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT. I DON’T WANT TO INTERFERE WITH THE DECISION, BUT I WANT TO WIN OVER THE HEARTS AND MINDS OF PEOPLE. I’M GOING TO QUÉBEC REGULARLY. GOING ON TV REGULARLY. EVERY QUESTION I GET WHEN I GO TO A SCRUM OR INTERVIEWED IN QUÉBEC IS ABOUT BILL 21. I HAVE TO SAY, LISTEN, CLEARLY I’M AGAINST THE BILL — [LAUGHTER] — [APPLAUSE] — I DON’T BELIEVE IN POLITICS THAT DIVIDE US. I DON’T BELIEVE IN POLITICS THAT DISCRIMINATE PEOPLE ON THE WAY THEY LOOK. I WANT TO WIN OVER THE HEARTS AND MINDS OF PEOPLE IN QUÉBEC, ONE PERSON AT A TIME, ONE INTERVIEW. WE CAN BUILD A BETTER SOCIETY WHEN WE WORK TOGETHER.>>Rosemary: GOOD JOB. I’LL KEEP GOING.>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): THANK YOU.>>Rosemary: ALL GOOD. MY JOB IS IN JEOPARDY PROBABLY. I WAS GLAD FARHEEN BROUGHT UP THE VIDEO. IF YOU HAVE –>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): I BROUGHT IT UP ACTUALLY.>>Rosemary: YOUR REACTION WAS, YOU KNOW, I’M NOT SURE THAT I COULD REACT LIKE THAT. SO I WONDER, DO YOU EVER GET ANGRY WHEN THOSE MOMENTS HAPPEN?>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): WHEN I WAS A KID, I GOT ANGRY A LOT. I HAD TO PUT UP WITH A LOT OF BULLYING AND I DEFENDED MYSELF AND I WAS ANGRY. AS I GREW OLDER, MY MOM TAUGHT ME WE’RE ALL ONE, CONNECTED. WHAT I BELIEVE IS FINDING THE SHARED HUMANITY, EVEN IN MOMENTS WHEN IT’S DIFFICULT. THAT’S ONE OF MY SPIRITUAL PRACTISES. THAT’S SOMETHING MY MOM STRESSED. EVEN IN A MOMENT WHEN SOMEONE IS HURTFUL OR NEGATIVE, I TRY TO FIND THE SHARED HUMANITY AND WIN THEM OVER.>>Rosemary: BACK TO BILL 21. I THINK WHAT FARHEEN WAS TRYING TO GET AT, YOU HAVE ALL THROUGHOUT THIS EVENT TALKED ABOUT STANDING UP FOR YOUR PRINCIPLES. OBVIOUSLY, YOUR PRINCIPLES HERE ARE THAT THIS IS NOT GOOD THING FOR QUÉBEC. SO WHY NOT AT LEAST ALLOW THE DOOR TO BE OPEN FOR FEDERAL ACTION IF NEEDED?>>THAT IS AN OPTION. THERE IS A LEGAL OPTION. WHAT I’M FOCUSSING ON IS, THIS MY FOCUS IS ONE, THERE IS A COURT CHALLENGE GOING ON AND THAT COURT CHALLENGE IS IMPORTANT AND I DON’T WANT TO INTERFERE WITH THAT. I WANT TO WIN OVER PEOPLE. I GO TO QUÉBEC, I CAMPAIGN IN QUÉBEC, I SPEAK –>>Rosemary: YOU’RE NOT GOING TO OVERTURN LEGISLATION WITH ALL DUE RESPECT. THE LAW ON SECULARISM IS PART OF THE QUÉBEC IDENTITY. WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO DO LEGALLY TO GET RID OF THAT?>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): I DON’T ACCEPT THAT’S THE ONLY WAY TO TACKLE SOMETHING. I BELIEVE THE WAY TO TACKLE A PROBLEM, YOU GO THERE WHERE THE PROBLEM IS HAPPENING AND SAY –>>Rosemary: IT’S A LAW.>>I’M A GUY WITH A BEARD AND TURBAN, I WANT TO FIGHT TO PROTECT THE EVIRONMENT, I BELIEVE IN A WOMEN’S RIGHT TO CHOOSE, FIRMLY. I BELIEVE IN THE RIGHT TO DIE WITH DIGNITY. I BELIEVE IN SAME-SEX MARRIAGE. I BELIEVE IN THESE THINGS TO MY CORE. I’M IN QUÉBEC TELLING PEOPLE, LISTEN, THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO GO AHEAD. IT DOESN’T MAKE SENSE TO DETERMINE SOMEONE’S ACCEPTABILITY IN SOCIETY BASED ON THE WAY THEY LOOK.>>Rosemary: WHAT WOULD YOU DEMAND IN SUPPORT OF A MINORITY GOVERNMENT? SHOULD YOU HOLD THE BALANCE OF POWER, WHAT IS THE ISSUE FOR YOU THAT HAS TO HAPPEN? WHAT IS THE ONE THING?>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): THREE THINGS. IT’S HEALTH CARE. I WANT TO EXPAND HEALTH CARE TO INCLUDE PHARMACARE AND DENTACARE. ELECTORAL REFORM IS CRUCIAL FOR ME.>>Rosemary: — IN BRITISH COLUMBIA?>>ABSOLUTELY, I BELIEVE IN IT. THE FEDERAL COMMITTEE — THAT WAS A PROVINCIAL REFERENDUM, THE FEDERAL COMMITTEE SAID PEOPLE BELIEVE IN PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION. I WANT TO FIGHT AGAINST CLIMATE CRISIS AND COMMIT TO THAT.>>Rosemary: YOU COULDN’T SUPPORT A MINORITY FEDERAL GOVERNMENT?>>I RULED THAT OUT AND MADE IT CLEAR. THEY’RE NOT CLEAR ON A WOMEN’S RIGHT TO CHOOSE. THEY DON’T UNDERSTAND THE CLIMATE CRISIS. THEY’RE NOT CLEAR ON LGBTQ COMMUNITIES RIGHTS. FOR THOSE REASONS I’VE SAID VERY CLEARLY, NO.>>Rosemary: WOULD YOU DO THAT ISSUE BY ISSUE?>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): I HAVE TO FRAME IT THIS WAY. IF ANYONE WANTS TO SUPPORT ME IN IMPLEMENTING PHARMACARE, THE DAYCARE PLAN, THE DENTAL CARE PLAN, I WOULD TAKE THEIR SUPPORT.>>Rosemary: LET ME END ON THE SAME QUESTION I’M ASKING EVERYBODY. WHAT IS THE QUALITY, THE ONE QUALITY YOU PERSONALLY HAVE THAT WOULD MAKE YOU A GOOD PRIME MINISTER?>>Jagmeet Singh (Leader of the N.D.P.): I’VE SEEN SOME OF THE STRUGGLES THAT PEOPLE GO THROUGH. I’VE LIVED THEM. I FEEL LIKE IT’S ENOUGH OF HAVING GOVERNMENTS IN OTTAWA THAT WORK FOR THE RICH, THE POWERFUL. PEOPLE NEED SOMEONE THAT IS GOING TO WORK FOR THEM. I’M NOT IN IT FOR THE RICH, I DON’T WORK FOR THE POWERFUL, I WORK FOR YOU. I’M COMMITTED TO DOING THAT.>>Rosemary: THANKS TO THE QUESTIONERS AND THE AUDIENCE AND JAGMEET SINGH. IF YOU WANT TO CATCH UP ON THE OTHERS, YOU CAN FIND THEM ON CBC NEWS APP AND GEM. ONE QUICK NOTE, MAXIME BERNIER INITIALLY DECLINED THE OFFER TO PARTICIPATE. WE HAVE, THOUGH, INVITED HIM FOR AN INTERVIEW LATER IN THE CAMPAIGN. THIS IS THE FINAL PROGRAMME IN THE FACE-TO-FACE SERIOUS. YOU ALL SEEMED TO HAVE LOVED IT. THAT MAKES US HAPPY AS YOUR PUBLIC BROADCASTER. I’M ROSEMARY BARTON. THANK YOU FOR WATCHING. [APPLAUSE]

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